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 Post subject: EASTCREEK's LJ Build
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:03 pm 
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Some of you may know, most of you don't, but a couple months ago I put one of my hair brained, pipe dream, fly by the seat of my pants plans in motion.

STEP 1: SELL

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STEP 2: BUY

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STEP 3: THE PLAN

Basic Maintenance:

Oil Change
Dash Lights
Odometer
Oil Leak
Dome Lights
Back-up Camera & Mirror
Chase down exhaust leak
New Headlight switch
New dash vents - Daystar w/switch
VHF radio, antenna cable and mount
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Lift - Savvy 4" Mid Arm Kit
1" Body Lift -

Shocks - Bilstein
Skid Plate - TBD
Limiting Straps - TBD
Bump Stops - TBD
Front Sway Bar - Currie AntiRock
Rear Sway Bar - Currie AntiRock
Exhaust - TBD

Drivetrain:

FRONT:

Axle Housing - Waggy Dana 44 -
Spindles - Ford 5x5.5 bolt patern
Chevy Knuckle Milling
Hubs - Yukon
Truss - TNT Customs
Brake parts -
Gears - Yukon 5.13
Axle Bracket Kit - TNT Offroad
Bearings and seals
Locker - ARB
Alloy Shafts - Yukon
Diff Cover - ARB
Stearing - TBD
Driveline - Wood's

REAR:

Axle housing - Stock LJ Dana 44
Brake parts - Stock LJ
Gears - Yukon 5.13
Bearings and seals
Locker - ARB
Alloy Shafts - Yukon
SYE Kit - TBD
Driveline - Wood's
Diff cover - ARB

Recovery:

Winch - Warn VR10-S
Controls - Warn Wireless remote Kit
Tow Points - TBD

Armor / Body / Cage / Safety

Front Bumper - Savvy Aluminum w/ hardcore upgrade, Aluminum fairlead mount / winch deck & Savvy Winch Guard

Front Fenders - Genright Alum tube fenders w/ 4" flare

Rear Bumper - Savvy Off Road w/ receiver.

Sliders - Savvy LJ Rockers w/ Step Sliders
Rear Corner Guards - Savvy full corner armor.

Rear Fenders - Genright 4" Alum Flare

Seatbelts - Beam's Tri-Lock belts

Cage - Those Guys's Rod and Custom
Tire Carrier - Those Guy's Rod and Custom


Wheels & Tires

Wheels - 15x8 Raceline 887 Rockcrusher - polished with 3.25 backspace

Tires - 35x12.50R15 Goodyear Wrangler MT/R with Kevlar

Soft Top

Rampage Trail Top
Rampage Windshield Channel
Rampage Rear Tailgate Tonneau bar
TJ / LJ Soft Top Door Surrounds (OEM or Bestop)

Lighting

Headlights - TBD
Forward Lighting - TBD
Tail lights - TBD


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Step 3 looks like a solid, well thought out plan. :lurker

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EASTCREEK wrote:
STEP 3: THE PLAN



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Step 3 looks like a solid, well thought out plan. :lurker



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 Post subject: Re: EASTCREEK's LJ Build
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Looks like a pretty solid plan. My only real suggestion would be to skip the "Front Sway Bar - JKS Disconnects" and get a Currie Antirock Sway bar kit. One of the best things I've done for my jeep. Yes, It is more money, but not having to get and mess with trying to get it hooked back up or take it off every time gets old pretty quick. Plus the jeep feels much more stable on extreme side hills. Well worth the $400 bucks.


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Nice! Been wanting an LJ for a long time.

If you can swing it, especially since you are doing the Savvy Midarm, get some good shocks (radflo, Fox, King) and mount them up with some shock towers. We use the Synergy brackets. You'll be happy you did. I hear there's a couple guys that tune on here. :)


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get a Currie Antirock Sway bar kit. Well worth the $400 bucks.


I originally had that in the plan but it was scrapped due to budget. Right now it's all about getting as close to "long term done" as I can.

I am going to add that to my "used parts search" and if nothing pops up I might have to revisit the idea on the back side of things.

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Paul wrote:
If you can swing it, especially since you are doing the Savvy Midarm, get some good shocks (radflo, Fox, King)


Hey Paul,

Go-Fast shocks are definitely not in the budget this go-round, but I am extremely currious as to why you say; "especially since you are doing the Savvy Midarm".

School me Sir as to your thoughts or experience.

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EASTCREEK wrote:
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If you can swing it, especially since you are doing the Savvy Midarm, get some good shocks (radflo, Fox, King)


Hey Paul,

Go-Fast shocks are definitely not in the budget this go-round, but I am extremely currious as to why you say; "especially since you are doing the Savvy Midarm".

School me Sir as to your thoughts or experience.

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It's not a matter of "go-fast", but just comfort at any speed. You are spending the right money on the lift, it has great geometry. But it's not cheap, and in my opinion, spending that much money on a lift, and cheaping out on shocks is the wrong way to go. The trails around here are chunky, and good shocks will take care of that. For NW wheeling, I would rather have Currie shortarms and outboarded tuned shocks. You will be amazed at the ride good shocks can give you.


I have a customer that is older (the Jeep above), and his wife couldn't spend more than an hour or two in the Jeep due to the ride. He had Bilstiens or Rubicon Express, can't remember. But after I tuned them and got him 6 inches of uptravel, she can ride all day, and he went from 25 to 40/50mph comfortably on the rough roads approaching the trails he runs around Naches.

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BTW, not trying to talk you out of the Savvy lift, it's all I recommend short of me building one for someone. :) It's worth the money.

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That is all super good info and I totally appriciate the insight.

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He's actually in Bonney Lake, I bet he'll take you for a ride or let you drive it.

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Another vote for not going with less than the "right" product for your build. Since it's a systems approach you'll be disappointed in having to live with inferior stuff. I'd enjoy the fun of a stock rig a little longer while you fill your shop with the right stuff.

As for the swaybar discos versus a trail bar, consider Teraflex and look at PAC Racing Springs as well. Currie is not the only one out there making a swaybar system.

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Another vote for not going with less than the "right" product for your build. Since it's a systems approach you'll be disappointed in having to live with inferior stuff. I'd enjoy the fun of a stock rig a little longer while you fill your shop with the right stuff.


I totally respect this point of view and I am pretty much on this same page but there must be a cut-off somewhere. I feel like I have a pretty substantial budget for this build, but while the jeep maybe an unlimited, the funds are not. That being said..... maybe I need to look at possibly reprioritizing a few things.


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As for the swaybar discos versus a trail bar, consider Teraflex and look at PAC Racing Springs as well. Currie is not the only one out there making a swaybar system.


Just my thoughts, and please correct me if I'm wrong but one of the reasons I like the idea of a stock sway bar disconnect is that I drive my Jeep a lot on the street, around town, and down the freeway. A disconnect allows me to go back to the stiff stock sway bar to try and gain back some of the road manners.

Also, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, and misleading everyone into thinking the budget is the most important factor (because it's not)......

Trail bars seem more like an expensive convenience item vs a functional item. It's almost like sacrificing flex in the trails and anti-roll on the street all just so I don't have to get out and disconnect / reconnect using pins. Again correct me if I'm wrong!

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EASTCREEK wrote:
Just my thoughts, and please correct me if I'm wrong but one of the reasons I like the idea of a stock sway bar disconnect is that I drive my Jeep a lot on the street, around town, and down the freeway. A disconnect allows me to go back to the stiff stock sway bar to try and gain back some of the road manners.


A stock sway bar is definitely better on the streets. But on the trail, a soft sway bar like the Antirock is not a compromise over disconnected, it's an improvement to have them both front and rear. Although it does resist the forces of articulation, it's soft enough that you can still hit the full articulation of any reasonable shock length. But it gives you trail stability for high speed cornering and side-hills. The only time I know of that you might be better off with no sway bar is pure hard core high-articulation rock crawling, but even that you're often better off with a sway bar since it gives you stability and it's rarely if ever going to really hinder you. There is a reason why a lot of well built buggies have sway bars even though they'll never see a mile on the road.


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I run Antirocks F/R on my daily driver on 520 (60+ mph), no issues w/it being too soft. I agree w/H, push the build out a bit and buy once.

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Wow..... I must be missing something.....

Quite a few people have mentioned that having connected swaybars help on "side hills" and I am really lost with that statement.

Am I scientifically wrong in stating that IF you have a connected torsion bar of any kind between two wheels and one of those wheels is forced upward ( the up-hill side wheel in an side hill situation) then that would put upward force on the down hill wheel creating more body roll than if each wheel worked independently?



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:rock: Congrats on the purchase Jason! Super solid build foundation. :thumbsup:
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There is a reason why a lot of well built buggies have sway bars even though they'll never see a mile on the road.


Are we talking nationally? Because it seems that wheeling buggies in 47 out if the OTHER states,. . Yes, you would want sway bars on the extremely flat terrain that they bounce over / up. It would keep their front end down, and weight on what ever tire was lifting for traction....

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That's not really the realm that I'm playing in....

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EASTCREEK wrote:
Wow..... I must be missing something.....

Quite a few people have mentioned that having connected swaybars help on "side hills" and I am really lost with that statement.

Am I scientifically wrong in stating that IF you have a connected torsion bar of any kind between two wheels and one of those wheels is forced upward ( the up-hill side wheel in an side hill situation) then that would put upward force on the down hill wheel creating more body roll than if each wheel worked independently?


Yes that is incorrect. If you push on one side of a sway bar, the other side pulls. Here's a possibly useful picture if it makes any sense. The up-hill side has the vehicle being pulled down, and the down-hill side has the vehicle being pushed up, trying to level out the vehicle (since sway bars operate oppositely on each side to cancel roll). Without the sway bar, the example right side might be on bump stop with the left side at 10" extension (of course, all over-exaggerated numbers and angles in this image)

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There is a reason why a lot of well built buggies have sway bars even though they'll never see a mile on the road.


Are we talking nationally? Because it seems that wheeling buggies in 47 out if the OTHER states,. . Yes, you would want sway bars on the extremely flat terrain that they bounce over / up. It would keep their front end down, and weight on what ever tire was lifting for traction....

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I have no idea from a geographic standpoint, but if you find someone who had any off-road vehicle without sway bars and then they add anti-rocks, I bet 90% of people will become happier and leave them on (of course excluding people who have the alternative of a stiff OEM sway bar for street use, but anti-rocks aren't THAT bad on the road). On purely flat terrain hitting all obstacles perpendicular to the obstacle and driving in a straight line, a sway bar is useless (for example hitting a speed bump straight on, a sway bar is not doing anything, no forces are on it). Since that's a ridiculous case, a sway bar is useful on almost all terrain.


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Jason, for what it's worth, on my LJ I ran a Currie AntiRock on the front only for awhile and felt the rig was to soft (floppy feeling) from side to side so ACRO added a rear AntiRock and it helped stabilize the rig in off camber situations and coming out of high speed corners.

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My LJ has Currie bars front and rear and it drives down the highway like a dream. Obviously, you know where I've wheeled it and the abuse it takes. There are virtually no places I would rather have had no swaybar at all which is what some disconnects will get you.

If you're really worried about driving on the highway, look at Teraflex's dual rate setup.

That said, you can always spring for the front one and then keep the stock rear swaybar in place since it's a lighter duty unit. That will save a chunk of change until the build is done.

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Anti rock front and stocker rear here. I ran at Liberty disco’d in the front and the rear sway pulled. It was a floppy sloppy uncomfortable ride. I was shocked at how floppy it felt but I only ran it one weekend that way I hated it so much.

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I have been thinking quite a bit over the past few days and am looking for input on the different cage options.

At first I was pretty set on having a custom cage built and after seeing some of his work, I was leaning towards giving Pat at Those Guys a call to see what it was cost.

That being said, over the last couple weeks I have noticed some nice "off the shelf" options like the;

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Or my personal favorite; the Poison Spyder Laser cut full kit that can also come pre-welded straight from them.


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