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Jeep now has Eaton 1 tons, LS swap, coilovers, and trying to go-fast.

I started a while back in early 2010 and plans ranged from using a FJ80 front axle and Taco rear to hp44s and everything in between. Now she's a 4500 style TJ trying to go fast(er). The build goes from very mild to wild in just a few years.

Here's how I brought her home. She's a 1997 TJ with 4.0, AX-15, 231, 4" suspension lift, 3" body lift, chrome all over the place, 3.55 gears in the front dana 30, 4.10 gears in the rear dana 35 and a mess for wiring. It belonged to a guy in Everett and it was his wife's weekend toy that she only drove on sunny days.

The good parts were there though, underneath the chrome and smittybuilt bumpers. A complete full exhaust, a HP30 with 4.10s coming with the Jeep, a good price, a recently swapped in 4.0 with an Auto Meter TJ gauge unit, full Alpine stereo, 35" MTRs and a hard top with hard doors.

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Check out those sweet tail lights!
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The current build specs that I'll update as I go:

HP30 CAD axle with LockRight and 4.10s
RCV shafts
ECGS 8.8 with Aussie and 4.10s, Crane cover
0" suspension lift and 1" body lift
Rubicon coil and shocks
231 replaced with another 231 and SYE
bling bling front driveshaft, explorer rear shaft
Rokmen trail corners
homemade stubby front bumper
highlined flat fenders
lots of trimming and massaging
35x13.50x15 BFG Krawlers on 15x8 aluminum wheels

I'll start from the beginning and work my way to now. I'm going to leave out some details and pics but feel free to ask about anything and I'll shed some light on the subject.


The HP30 needed some help, I'll let the pics speak for themselves. It's a XJ CAD model, first used a stock plate for a blockoff then ordered the kit from Randy's. None of the seals in that kit nor any of the seals from Napa, Autozone, Car Parts, etc worked. I ended up using a SealsIt seal, it pushes in with some silicone and was like magic. Works great, no complaints. Just make sure to use enough RTV.

It's a good thing I didn't need to reuse any of the outer parts!
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Still good inside :thumbsup:
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Got it all cleaned up and put POR-15 on it. Wish I had just painted it.
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Found a lincoln 225 online. I learned on one of these, so I picked it up
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stock fenders were beat up a little, so they had to come off
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Cardan joint in the front shaft was fubar, bought a new shaft from a guy in PDX, he ran a sweet land cruiser shop
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I needed to get rid of the stock airbox so I bought this at Cut Rate Auto Parts. They have a ton of little stuff there if you're in Oly/Lacey and want some off the wall doo-dads. Added a red top while I was in there.

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LED tails, don't worry about the paint, it's covered later
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Did the front too
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East Coast Gear Supply has great deals on 8.8s ready to go for TJs so I jumped on it. I basically got an 8.8 for the same cost of parts if I were buying off the shelf brackets, e-brake stuff, etc. Came with 4.10s, open diff, disk brakes, and e-brake with cables.

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Also swapped out the saggy 4" springs for stock Rubi stuff. The 4" springs must have been sagging.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:17 pm 
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Slapped in the Rubi springs and shocks at the same time
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Aussie before going in
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Goodies from Rokmen arrived
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231s getting swapped out
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stock 231 vs SYE 231
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Picked it up cheap, so I just swapped them. It was from a late model YJ so I had to swap fittings and plugs but that was it, very easy to do.

Got the shaft shortened by the driveshaft shop in Yelm. This is a stock explorer shaft and the adapter is a stock spicer unit. I can find the part # if someone needs it.
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Slapped in the Aussie for some traction
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Hit the corners with the flap disk
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Then primer and hammered black
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Then onto the lock right
Pull the carrier
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Take off the ring gear, loosen bolts while in the housing. Take out the crush pin and center large pin
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another view
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remove the spider gears
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Got this lockright from my ex-SEAL buddy...he's an awesome guy
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slap it together, use grease to make it easier
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Put the springs in
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done, torque ring gear bolts to 80 ft lbs
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Took these cone washers out too
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old school torque wrench
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Remember to properly mark everything
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The stock 231 shift linkage had been mangled and jacked up from the 7" lift, spaced belly pan, and all the other crap that was put on this rig. I knew I wanted a Dana 300 in the future so I didn't put too much time into a homemade shifter.

Just a piece of steel rod bent up and welded together to make a handle. Other end bent into a U and slung into the 231 shifting lever. Simple and effective. Glad it's getting replaced soon.
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Rear corners came out great!
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Went wheeling, tore some stuff up, found weaknesses, etc etc
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Got a couple videos of my rig, this is the playground at Evans

it's in HD as well! :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRnWmzRCl_c

YouTube - Trail Riding Evans Creek

YouTube - Me going down a trail in my TJ

YouTube - More xj crawlin followed by me in my TJ

YouTube - crawling at evans creek pt1

YouTube - crawling at evans creek pt3 in my TJ

YouTube - Me playing around in a puddle

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The view at 311 is incredible

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Then Larry was selling his Krawlers so I met with him
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Took the body lift off, cut it down to 1"
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And started the high line
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Bought some bling to keep the front end moving at all times
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Finished the high line
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Next to a mostly stock TJ
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I went wheeling with the WTF crew and tried to follow buggies all day. Ended up bending my tie rod so I bumped up to a ZJ unit.

Me getting denied by the last tire on a huge tree root
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Forgot to mention I added some Spidertrax wheel spacers to keep the wheels out of the frame and sway bar. I like the aluminum rims but I'm getting the itch for some beadlocks and might be selling or trading them soon.

I had to leave for 6 months for some training then got back and went wheeling immediately at Elbe.

My only damage from the weekend went to my hard top-
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And a broken oil pressure sensor...but I hated that thing anyway. So I took the top off :D
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I really like the scenery around here.

Random shots of my rig
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I really like all those.

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Then there's me...stuck. This is the only time I got stuck and I was very impressed with the way my rig handled all the obstacles on the trails. I followed a rig with stretched wheelbase, swapped axles, and 38s for most of the 2nd day. Apparently he got stuck here too but I wasn't there to see it. If I would have given it more gas I would have rocked over it but I didn't give it enough momentum to pivot on the frame and skid. Those ruts are DEEP and swallowed my 35s but I look forward to giving that one another go after my rig goes under the knife!

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Found some pics from a local guy in the club...

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in the background

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And a video of me...
YouTube - ‪Me at main line trail in Elbe, "window breaker"‬‏

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:52 pm 
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how does the d30 like the Krawlers? I twisted spline and split the case in 2 when I had them on my d30


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That's most of everything I've done in a condensed form. The rig works well for a short arm setup with no adjustable arms and I do all the work and mods myself with pretty limited tools and equipment. Luckily I've had a bit of luck and a decent income for a college student so hopefully it will continue. I've already started collecting parts for the real build. Here's what I've gathered so far:

non CAD HP30 with 4.10s
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t176 bellhousing
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Ford np435, AA output shaft and adapter, dana 300
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My girlfriend wanted a new phone for christmas this year. I wanted a welder. We made a deal :thumbsup:
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Oh and I finally have a front end driveway shot to show off when I cleaned her up and put on some fresh paint. You can see how the body parts don't line up...but they're straight. Bent frame.
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how does the d30 like the Krawlers? I twisted spline and split the case in 2 when I had them on my d30


I would only run a HP30 with Krawlers. I run RCVs right now and I'm not afraid to let it sit and spin the tires a little bit. I'm building another HP30 though, I'm about to post the details on that if you wanna check it out.

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Alright so this will be kind of a long post but it outlines everything I want to do.

First off, let's start with the front axle.

Polish the turd axle build
non CAD HP30, 4.10 gears
cryo and heat treat the gears, carrier, and locker
Spartan
put in the RCVs
Spicer balljoints
Run the ZJ tie rod for now, 1 ton TREs later
possibly use WJ knuckles and brakes, haven't decided
custom truss
Crane diff cover (bought it last night from eBay, brand new)
extended brake lines with 1 man bleeders

I will make sure the gear mesh is set tight and deep in case of deflection. This axle should last, without any breakage, as long as I maintain it. I'll be selling the CAD HP30 as soon as I finish building this new front axle with the 4.10s and LockRight if anyone here wants it for their build. I might be tossing in a Detroit or Grizzly if I can find one used for a good price. I just have to keep my eye out. Also, I'm going to squeeze every bit of steering out of these RCVs.

Tranny/Tcase
np435
AA adapter and shaft
flipped Dana 300, extra shift rail seals
flipped clocking ring
twin sticks
rebuild kits
t176 bellhousing, machine for CPS
4 cyl CJ hydraulics
Novak pilot bushing
decent clutch (haven't decided yet)

I have a little more research to do but I got most of it planned out. I'll be making a custom trans mount with two bushings and some DOM or 2" x 2" square tube. Custom flat skid, UHMW plastic on the bottom to slide across rocks and obstacles. I haven't decided what lower mounts I want to use for my suspension. I'm torn between the Poly Performance low profile mounts or recessing the mounts by cutting the frame and moving it up 1.25". I already have a bent frame in the front so it would be a good time to fix that and do this mod. It's more work but it would be very slick and wouldn't have a single thing to hang on.

Here's a link to what I'm talking about -
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=894967

They look like this when done, look at the rear mounts and the frame -
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Here's my suspension outline:

3 link front
~26-28" lowers
1.25" Johnny Joints
Gen Right Krawler Joint and threaded mount
upper link on driver's side
uppers will be DOM or 7075, haven't decided
stock or 2" coils
2-3" stretch

4 link rear
~28-30" lowers
1.25" Johnny Joints
triangulated uppers
7075 or DOM uppers
4-5" stretch

I've already bought Heretic fab 4130 links and I'm 99% sure I want to use JJs. For the gas tank I'll be heating it up and molding it for the pumpkin to fit. Shooting for 100" wheelbase, staying with the HP30/8.8 and 35 Krawlers. I want to bump up to beadlocks so I can air down to 6-8 psi easily. I'll be hacking off a lot of the stock mounts and brackets to make beefier units, no steering box move. If I'm not comfortable welding it, it will be done by a pro. Hopefully I'll be good at welding before all of this happens but I won't be putting anyone's lives in danger just to say I welded it. I'm fine with knowing I designed and fabbed everything except the welding if that comes down to it.

I'm gonna find a Warn 8274 off craigslist and fab up a mount for it. OBA will be added sometime. A S & W add on cage will be put on with a couple misc tube added in for some extra beef. I'll be fabbing some new bumpers and sliders before I do anything else in order to get better at welding. I will be making my own tube bender and just buying a die set and using a HF hydraulic ram. Might make my own dimple dies if I can't afford them. Some nice tube fenders will be fabbed for the front with anticipation of the 3" stretch. I'll add on to the Rokmen corner armor with some 3/16" steel plate. The rear tire carrier will be a swing out style but mixed with a stinger. I'll also be adding a oil pan skid to protect the 4.0.

Speaking of welding, I need to find an argon bottle so PM me if you know of one for a good price. I'm still looking for a new place with a garage to work on my rig so progress is almost non-existent. I think that's everything so far. Opinions? Thoughts? Critique? Let me know what you guys think, I'm open to some suggestions and insight.

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Where'd you get the Krawlers from? I think they're my old tires. :roflmao:

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From Larry and that's what you said on that snow run at the beginning of winter :lol:

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I like it! My TJ build will be very close to yours! I will be interested to see how your axles hold up! (that is the one area im not sure on yet)

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Where'd you get the Krawlers from? I think they're my old tires. :roflmao:



All the way down to the spare. :mrgreen:
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I like it! My TJ build will be very close to yours! I will be interested to see how your axles hold up! (that is the one area im not sure on yet)


Thanks! I doubt I'll kill the axle shafts and I haven't been easy on the hp30 that's in there right now. The only thing that has given me problems so far were the pins and springs in the lockright and the slightly broken inner race or ring or whatever it is inside the lockright. Still works like it should and I put new springs and pins in it.

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Avanteone wrote:
Where'd you get the Krawlers from? I think they're my old tires. :roflmao:



All the way down to the spare. :mrgreen:
Looks good Trevin !!


Thanks josh! Finish up your rig so we can go wheeling. :thumbsup: I want to hit the HooDoo trail sometime. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=908464

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r33pwrd wrote:
I like it! My TJ build will be very close to yours! I will be interested to see how your axles hold up! (that is the one area im not sure on yet)


Thanks! I doubt I'll kill the axle shafts and I haven't been easy on the hp30 that's in there right now. The only thing that has given me problems so far were the pins and springs in the lockright and the slightly broken inner race or ring or whatever it is inside the lockright. Still works like it should and I put new springs and pins in it.


awesome man! TJ with 35s are in my future :thumbsup:

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You'll like a TJ, much easier to work on. :mrgreen:

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gtxracer wrote:
r33pwrd wrote:
I like it! My TJ build will be very close to yours! I will be interested to see how your axles hold up! (that is the one area im not sure on yet)


Thanks! I doubt I'll kill the axle shafts and I haven't been easy on the hp30 that's in there right now. The only thing that has given me problems so far were the pins and springs in the lockright and the slightly broken inner race or ring or whatever it is inside the lockright. Still works like it should and I put new springs and pins in it.

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Avanteone wrote:
Where'd you get the Krawlers from? I think they're my old tires. :roflmao:



All the way down to the spare. :mrgreen:
Looks good Trevin !!


Thanks josh! Finish up your rig so we can go wheeling. :thumbsup: I want to hit the HooDoo trail sometime. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=908464



HooDoo is at the top of my list of trails to hit.
My rig should be making her maiden street voyage tomorrow :rock:

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Mandatory video of a burnout! :cheers: I'm down for Hoodoo when you are. I'll take my rig as it is right now if I can add some sliders.

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I was thinking of hitting Hoodoo again this weekend, but no one else is wheeling. :(

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....Where is this "Hoodoo" trail you speak of? :dunno: :hi:

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Kurt, it's the Santiam OHV area at the Hoodoo ski resort just west of Sisters. SHort trail, but good wheeling.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=870867

When is your rig going to be done? :mrgreen:

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